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Postby intuitas » Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:37 am

Just in composing a reply to Diceman on his fascinating suggestions for video possibilities it struck me that a number of issues seem to be cropping up which may be more hardware issues than ZionWorx issues.

Would there be any advantage in creating a separate forum for these?
Perhaps there are people (like Diceman, Tekman etc. ) who may have the capacity to help with these sorts of problems.

:?: Ed - how easy is it to shift topics between forums? Just thought this might help Christian focus on the ZionWorx specific issues.

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Postby Diceman » Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:19 pm

I think that there is perhaps a requirement for a general christian technical forum for Sound, Video and Lighting. It would need a seperate web address but be affiliated to zionworx. Does anyone have the resources for this? A forum set up using the same software as the zionworx forum (phpBB ) would be ideal. I don't have any hosting space or I'd do it. Zionworx has tapped an international community of Christian technicians, engineers, creatives and worship leaders.

Anything setup without Zionworx backing would not be able to attract enough attention to allow for the community to grow. There is tremendous opportunity here to see the community perform a great service for such groups accross the world.

I certainly would recommend it to the industry proffesionals who I work with in the christian and church sectors.

Any thoughts?

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Postby intuitas » Mon Nov 24, 2003 4:51 pm

There is a world-wide Christian e-mail forum at http://www.churchsoundcheck.com lots of expertise there - mainly audio but some video etc.
Have found this a good complimentary site - although haven't participated much lately. Still accept the email digest daily though.

I agree a ZionWorx community based broader technical forum might be helpful. If Christian or Ed think so too perhaps we could run a poll on the possibility to gauge broader opinion.

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Postby mango » Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:43 am

I've heard that churchsoundchekck is a pretty good forum for sounds. ChurchMedia is also a good forum for discussing technical things including projection systems, sound, video, lighting and many more, and there are quite a few knowledgeble people there. Not to discourange anyone from setting another forum up, but I'd think that ChurchMedia is already achieving that same purpose.

Diceman, with your wealth of expereince in this area, I'm sure you have so much to offer at ChurchMedia. 8)
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Postby Diceman » Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:33 pm

Hi Mango!

Thanks for that - I checked it out and it is good. However, I don't feel it fulfills the requirement addressed earlier completely. Content is heavily US based (not everyone on the planet uses NeverTwicetheSameColor NTSC). Allot of postings relate to "Hey bill, howÂ?s the kids? - wanna buy my truck?" kind of content and it seems that the forum has attracted a huge number of guys in suits with titles and little technical know how (obviously there are exceptions). From a simple name point of view, the problems stem from the site's branding. Churchmedia, turns off all those who know exactly how un-professional anything technical related to church can be (I'm not saying it's something were not here to change - but let's face it, among the technical fraternity, and even the Christian technical fraternity, the word Church cuts both ways - positive and negative). Churchmedia as a brand attracts people who are interested in media, and interested in church, not people who know about media and want to implement it in church. The forum attracts the right people by default (in that there is nowhere else for them to go), but there are a lot of hanger-on-ers, people with very little practical contribution to make, and church trendies with titles rather than real innovators (nerdy closet dwellers) who are not necessarily the suit's perception of cool - but know there stuff and make things work.

You might say I'm being a bit harsh. But I know when I build a team which I'd rather have on it (and it wouldn't be the 'churchians' who want to rise the ranks of freeform modern Christian hierarchy).

That aside, the PAL/secam electronic product market is distinct and could do with something to cater for it. We have an opportunity to be real innovators not just sound techies, light techies, or video techies. What is the difference between 'church' and outside professional technical teams? - Churches have techies who are generally (and I mean only generally) misunderstood for there attention to detail, lateral thinking and different-ness (sorry it's not a real word). Theatres and professional organizations have engineers and crew members.

Are we a bunch or nerdy, church, techies or do we aspire to be hardened, professional specialists, sold out for God and his purpose of glory through us? God created the universe - He did not cut any corners, he did not say - "oh that'll do, it's only for church", he did not skimp on the details or throw the universe together at the last minute. And I'm not talking about finance here (before someone tries to make an issue out of it :-) ). You and I have been given adaptable, creative, innovative minds. We can think around corners and we can solve problems laterally. The question is not what are our limits? (For we truly have none, innovatively). The question is what does our creator want us to create?

We have a unique insight into our existence, which has the potential to allow us to be the most innovative creative professional testaments to our creator's glory in existence. Let us not belittle this awesome heritage which was bought for us at such great cost. Let us take up the standard of our creator and choose to excel for his glory.


Ok, got a bit impassioned there. :-) Sorry. Thanks for the links. They are helpful once sifted. Perhaps a PAL/secam based site or just something new to clear the air.

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Postby Christian » Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:00 pm

Diceman wrote:God created the universe - He did not cut any corners, he did not say - "oh that'll do, it's only for church", he did not skimp on the details or throw the universe together at the last minute.


I completely agree Diceman...

...and whatever job we do, we should remember that ultimately we do it for God, not just for our 'earthly authorities'...

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i agree

Postby zer0burn316 » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:53 am

:shock: all i can say is i agree with all the thoughts here.
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